
One of the photographers now showing in the Newspace Center for Photography 4th Annual Juried Exhibition (through July 27) is also featured in this month’s RACC Artist Spotlight. Marne Lucas, who bides her time between NYC and PDX, working collaboratively with Bruce Conkle, has had as interesting a life as those depicted in her pictures. Above is the self-portrait I couldn’t help not selecting for the show. Below is a discussion she and I had back in 2005 (via Oregonlive)…it seems worth taking a look back:
WILD WILDERNESS CHAT

[ December 2005 ]
Marne Lucas is every woman (remember that Chaka Khan tune?). Through the end of January, her series called Amusement is on view at SE Hawthorne’s Homestar (a cute coffee joint). The work plays with the nature of, well, nature - human and mother. Born in Honolulu, and brought up in the Portland area most her life, this thirty-something worked for Danzine, curated projects all over town and has travelled extensively to create her body of work. Here’s a look-see into what drives her engine.
TJ Norris: Hi Marne!
Marne Lucas: Hello, TJ. You have the most incredibly striking blue eyes, almost like a husky dog’s. I can say this on paper and perhaps even in person!
TJN: (blush) Well, thank you, I’m flattered. They have been called greyish-green, but never been compared to a husky, though used to wear “husky” size (from Sears) when I was in grade school. LOL.
Speaking of colors, let’s talk lichen (my favorite uber-green colors come from this form of nature!). I just stopped by your current show at Homestar. What is the premise of Amusement all about for you?
ML: Lichen is on my top 10 list as one of my favorite things made by nature! I get the lichen apprecitation from my mom, I think she can identify just about any form of lichen and moss. Amusement gives viewers an idea of how nutty I am and that boredom never strikes. Armed with a camera and some inspiring thrift store items, I can be creative anywhere, making new work while travelling - which is what I do to relax and to get wound up.
I’m especially excited about the image I made of a fir tree that was deformed by burls, creating a shape of two figures in an intimate position, While the Forest Isn’t Looking. That tree is real - no Photoshop tricks, so being observant is rewarding, even with trees. Some of the other photos are about the edges of things you aren’t supposed to see, as in miniature dioramas. Unfortunate Portal shows a figurine of an 1800’s Native American, staring at himself in what appears to be a reality-sized mirror. He is not supposed to see himself in such a mirrored reality, ever, a metaphor for alternate reality, time and space. I feel both sad and elated for this primitive figure who is about to be swept into the universe.
TJN: Talk about narcissus. Yeah, I noticed you captured some funny goings-on in the woods. Back into the city…what do you think of cozy cafe culture and high art meeting head on?
ML: There is no shortage of places to show art in Portland… As the former curator to the Aalto Lounge and V-Gun, I’ve found that public spaces such as cafes allow one to develop a more intimate relationship to the art work and to the aesthetics the space itself offers. Not everyone will show work in a gallery, and not everyone needs to. That being said, I am an unrepresented artist, so beyond participating in group shows in galleries, that is where I primarily show my own work.
TJN: Sorry to hear the V-Gun thing isn’t still going, though I actually love sitting down at Cricket Cafe, or Le Happy and oogling at work while I wait, dually nourishing myself. I’ve written about the need for this in the past and will be back again and again. It was a lil’ thrill going into a “back room” (for adults only) at Homestar. And since your work often deals with the body do you feel it odd or titillating to segregate works in this way, or do you find that the “pin-up” style work is more so a different body of work, therefore the separation?
ML: The Amusement series is what I planned to show, and the Pin Up Lounge came after but it compliments the space perfectly.
One of the owners of Homestar - Paul Forrest, had the idea to open the back room for my pinup work. He painted it red and made the fur bench for the room. It makes the room itself a little special and titillating, which I love. Adding my own books, postcards and glamour props as installation made the room inviting and makes one feel like they are on one of my sets or in a bedroom.
TJN: I loved the feel of it, homey and horny! Can you describe your alter-persona, Gina Velour?
ML: From 1995-2000, I had a personae while developing my Pin Up style photography. This was the mid ’90’s and I was participating in fetish culture and collaborating with prominent erotic photographers such as Steve Diet Goedde as a model. I used my birthname for my first solo show in 2000 at the Mark Woolley Gallery. I had formed the personae for a specific film project in 1995 that Jacob Pander and myself made, in fact we both took on new names for it, an infrared erotic short film called The Operation. Gina Velour just lent herself to be a great way to make separate bodies of work and maintain my privacy here in Portland.
TJN: Speaking of the body, the worshipped, fetishized body. What do you think of Portland in terms of how people project their sexuality in general?
ML: Portland has a laid back attitude about nudity and freedom of expression, therefore lots of strip clubs and there’s certainly an affluent, patina of ’sexy’ for the $$$ scene in the “Pearl Necklace District” (writer laughs!!!), as I call it. I do prefer to make intimate Pin Ups of local men and women as their sense of style and identity is very individualistic. That individuality is what I am after, even after they are half clothed under hot lights. Confidence and accessibility seems to be part of folks personality here. I don’t find in L.A. that I wish I could photograph people there for my work.
TJN: I love the word patina! And it goes quite well with lichen actually: color, time, aging….I’ve been told that Portland is the porn capital of the U.S. Does that truly hold any water?
ML: Portland has been cited to have more strip clubs and employment opportunities for sexworkers per capita, in the USA. This does not translate into “porn capital” per se…that might have to be awarded to L.A. We have a very present gay culture, and almost legislated gay marriage, that and liberal politics in general help shape Portland’s sexy factor, but not outside of city limits. Oregon is conservative. I think it’s sexy to live here, and I can afford to make my art here, but the reality is that the press and the art community seems to be really hung up on my work and identifying it as prurient matter.
TJN: Well, that’s the rub, the friction. I think you can’t truly have a fully open and vital community with things that are “almost” - remember I come from Boston where marriage is non-segregated and rights for all truly exists, even with a Republican governor! But I digress…
The photograph of the deer behind the gauzy glass is my favorite. Do you know the one?
ML: Elk, Motel Shower was taken in the Curlywood Motel, near the Redwood Forest, in California. After driving all day from Portland and arriving at this quaint motel, I discovered my room had a frosty, textured shower door. I first photographed the elk model on the counter, then under the tub faucet as a fake waterfall, then with the door closed. It’s both like a photograph and a modernist cave painting - misty and surreal, the antlers, spindly legs and slightly focused nose are just visible enough to give the viewer a visual representation of an Elk. Deer and Elk possess a gracefulness that I envy.
TJN: The Curlywood, LOL!!!! I noticed some of Bruce Conkle’s work at Homestar as well. There is something of a common theme running through both your work, and I know you’ve collaborated somehow. What’s your relationship with Bruce?
ML: We are artists with similar interests in humor and nature. Upon meeting two years ago, we discovered that we had similar infatuations with trees, nature, fake fur, glitter, ironic humor, weird self portraiture and general bawdiness. Both Bruce and I have produced art that explores Pacific Northwest regionalism with humor and appreciation for where we were raised and now live. His art tends to be installation based and less representational and mine’s more based on intimate photographic portraiture. Creative chemistry brought us companionship and then we formed Blinglab.
TJN: What’s Blinglab (sounds gaudy)?
ML: Blinglab is an artist collective founded by Bruce Conkle and myself. Artist Jake O’Donnel is an active member and inspired us to form a group when we began a craft-based think tank at his farm.
There is a rotating roster of guest artists and members participate in making fancy, glittery things, we believe in adding humor where it didn’t exist before. We reference or rearrange history, pop culture, and fiction to suit our topical creative interests. Bruce and I will be participating in the Caldera Artist Residency in early January 2006 to work on a Lewis and Clark theme puppet show based on their ‘untold adventures’. We are planning a somewhat homoerotic, Bollywood-style musical, both Brat Pack inspired and historically based puppet show for mature audiences; as it contains explicit scenes of nature!
TJN: Ooooo. Homoerotic, and “untold”. The woods. How “seedy”! (sorry). I’m sure you will come up with something totally amusing and hystorical (pun intended). “The great outdoors”. Is that Oregon? Can you talk about the nature of your work so to speak?
ML: Nature is a spiritual, political, sensual experience for me. “Naughty by nature” could be an appropriate description of where I am coming from in my recent work. Intimacy and nature are what make me feel alive; my photographs of nature are equally intimate as the portraits I make of others. In Lichen Anklepanties, a self portrait I made in the Hoh Rainforest in the Olympic Peninsula, Washington, there is a panty-type object that is really a tangle of old washed yarn that looks like it could be an organic plant. I also had a show called Oregon’s Natural Resources which was a humorous take on the timber industry and the natural beauty for which Oregon is known- so I photographed hot girls with logs and wood products. That reception was protested by feminists, who leafleted the room with a flyer that asked: “What do George Bush and Marne Lucas have in common? They are willing to plunder women and timber!” I applaud them for their witty commentary!
TJN: Wow - I hope you documented these folks, sounds wild…oh, human nature! But why photography, say, rather than performance art - and - where do you travel to shoot some of your images?
ML: I am making work wherever I go. I make self portraits, portraits of artists, still lifes and abstractions of nature and culture. In Europe, New York, San Francisco, Los Angeles, the Oregon desert, forests, Vancouver BC, anywhere is perfect.
Performance art for me is a one time event that you share with an audience, unless of course you film it. I gave so much of myself when I was at the muse end of creative collaborations, that I prefer to quietly work on my own narratives and let the viewer have their own separate space with the work. I don’t personally need a stage. I do plan on making short films in the near future.
TJN: I am very curious about your east meets west (coast) lightbox work that greets you at the door, the one that was included in Fresh Trouble recently. Some folks actually thought our work was one and the same, as if we intentionally collaborated….
ML: I love that our work was positioned next to each other at that show, really perfect. Maybe we should collaborate!
Originally, East Coast, West Coast is part of an abstract series from about 3 years ago that I haven’t been able to afford to produce as lightboxes. I started making composited works with my own photographs to explore relationships between flesh, nature, architecture and man. I am amused by hip-hop culture, so the title is a reference to a series of self portraits about that scene. In talking to you, I think in a subtle way the idea behind my abstract series sort of reminds me of a less-developed yet similar theory to your recent show at Chambers Gallery. I love how you are reworking the familiar into an abstraction that’s beyond the mathmatics of beauty.
TJN: This is like a love-fest (and why shouldn’t it be?). I am blushing all over the place…Did you grow up ’round these parts?
ML: Yep. Since I was two. My parents are from Minnesota (friendly genes) and they moved here and raised me and my two sisters here. Seeing the trees and mountains blew them away. They instilled in us a deep love and respect for nature, literature and art. My interests in exploring intimacy in my art are not a diversion from this, I feel that to be in love with nature and intimacy is to be truely alive.
TJN: It’s one of my great muses too.
Some of your images, I want them to be much larger. Do you choose intimately sized images based on the location in which they are shown, or does size not really matter when it comes to your subject matter?
ML: Sure, this suite of photos should be large scale. Budget, location and saleability were the primary reasons for the Amusement shows’ small scale. Holiday gifts!
TJN: One of my best friends in the whole world is Kim Airs of Grand Opening, do you know her? She’s been up to quite a bit since we met back in the 80’s.
ML: Kim Airs! She’s great! I have yet to make it to her store! We have an email/phone relationship. She carried The Operation. We have lots of friends in common.
TJN: We go waaaayyy back. Can you say anything about your boy series that you did at Good Vibrations (Kim did an internship there before she opened her shop many moons ago)?
ML: MANWICH! I am basically a fag. I am obsessed with Freddie Mercury. I love the film Myra Breckenridge with Raquel Welch!
My inner personality is 50% Freddy and 50% Racquel!
Manwich was my first series of pin-ups of men. They are all Portland friends. I thought it would be more difficult to come up with ideas as had always done heavily art-directed situations with women, putting on lingerie or lounging around it sumptuous situations. The guys were actually a breeze, they had less issues about their physical appearance which allowed me to stay focused on my interpretations of their personality. I’m inspired by Bob Mizer and James Bidgood.
TJN: Marne, we have too much in common. One of my favorite films of all time is Pink Narcissus (I have the DVD if you ever wanna come over and watch it)!!! I had a huge teenage crush on Freddie myself (all that leather and hair!). In fact, Queen Live Killers (1979) was the first ever cassette tape I ever owned. And my old friend Thom Fitzgerald made this great film called Beefcake some years back, have you seen it?
ML: Yes we have loads in common! I would love to see Pink Narcissus, I love Bidgood’s use of simple, stagey props, a glittery cave wall, some fur, a big gold telephone, lots of buns…
TJN: Indeed, the larger cultural history of bling! You are shooting local studs! I did not know that, I’d love to flip through those images to see if there are . Artists and friends as centerfolds. It’s a bit like what Jeff Koons did with Cicciolina. Once upon a time, one lesser thing known about me, I did theatrical lighting for Annie Sprinkle once. Recently, I was doing an interview with Andrew McKenzie (The Hafler Trio) and connected back up with her to share some of her history (they were lovers once). As a sex activist, are you familiar with her work?
ML: I heart Annie Sprinkle! She and Sharon Mitchell are my porn moms. Candida Royalle is like my porn sister. These women have been so supportive of my work and the work of the now defunct non-profit Danzine, who I volunteered for and served on their advisory board. The sex worker community has heightened my awareness about a socially marginalised group of people. Sex workers and drug users are in our families, they are our friends and should be cared for publically.
TJN: Anything you want to share with our captive audience about today, tomorrow, next week?
ML: Activism, humor, nature, intimacy. That’s what I am about, that is what my work is about.
TJN: Shall old acquaintances be forgot? Any resolutions?
ML: Oh heavens no! I tend to be the one to hold up both ends of long acquaintanceships, wondering if it’s really worth it. But many acquantances are gracefully just that: not close friends and it’s ok that you have grown into -or- out of things in common. Sometimes acqauintances will transform into deep friends once I run into them abroad or out of town as you have a new context together. Portland is overwhelming in it’s social scale; it’s easy to want to avoid art openings or cultural events because of the sheer numbers of people to make small talk with. I prefer one on one conversations, but I’ve learned how to chit chat as I have always tended bar for a living and have art shows to be at. I find that old acquaintances show up in your life and give you a good laugh or new perspective on something, usually around the time you have just removed them from your email list or address book! (laughs)