
In conversation with Hilary Pfeifer
HP-> Hi TJ!
TJN-> Hi Hilary!
HP-> Okay - this is cracking me up - we agreed to do this blog chat at the Side Door, sitting at the same table, and we’ve spent the past 15 minutes talking over our computers to each other!
TJN-> So how are you today? Are you going to order a drink then? I am somewhat exhausted from all of PICA’s TBA events and being an official contestant for The Ultimate Blogger on Urban Honking! It’s gonna be a bumpy night!

HP-> Well, I’ve been busy too - trying to catch my breath from last month, plus I am working on a new installation that needs to be in Virginia in a few weeks! Yikes! No…I think it will be fine.
TJN-> Well, let’s commence our discussion over caffeine then….
HP-> Here’s what visual art shows I’ve seen so far this month (some with you, of course): Jeffry Mitchell, Claire Cowie, Diane Kornberg, Yamamoto Masao, the Hap Tivey light installation at Corberry, as well as the other Corberry Press offerings for TBA, Michael Kessler, and I peeked in the window of Froelick. I think that’s it. I know you have at least doubled that list. No wonder you’re exhausted!!
TJN-> I like your laptop case, very orange.
HP-> Thanks! I got this case at Office on Alberta Street! I love it too! I have dropped my laptop on concrete and this case allowed it to bounce rather than bust!
TJN-> OK, I’ve been to all those, some with you, and plenty others at Gallery 114, Tilt, Mark Woolley….wher should we start - how about Pulliam Deffenbaugh?
HP-> Let’s start with Jeffry Mitchell since we were both at the talk as well.
TJN-> 10-4. So….
HP-> I just pointed out to you that he made the image specifically for the card - instead of greetings like “hello” or “welcome,” the text says “JM PD” for Jeffry Mitchell/Pulliam Deffenbaugh. You rolled your eyes. Reminds me of you telling Kristan Kennedy afterwards that you weren’t such a big fan of his work before you heard the talk - care to expand
on your newfound enlightenment?
TJN-> Well, that’s true. I haven’t been that interested. His talk was completely enlightening, and fresh. He’s fresh (of mind). I appreciated his honesty and connection to his visceral, sexual side. Though I wouldn’t have ever inferred that in the work, strange fruit, indeed. There is always this sense of the ornate that I just have always had this pit of disdain for. My bad?
HP-> He was quite articulate - I don’t think it’s bad for you to question decorative - I know you come from more of a conceptual angle than I do with art. Half of my training/upbringing was in the craft field, so I think I have more of an appreciation for that work, and it’s a big
turnon for me when someone can integrate the two. Ooh la la!
TJN-> That’s why I think it’s important for us to have this discussion. I will say that his minimal sense of color, in tonal values is something that speaks to me. And I will never look at any hole he cuts in paper the same way again. Something about pinks and blues, right?
HP-> I love his minimal palette as well - and I also really love that those works are done in ball point pen.
TJN-> That seems quite interesting, and directly engages the artist as craftsmen, from the hand. And the references to frilly doilies. What do you think about that?
HP-> Well, as I asked him in the lecture, I noticed a connection to craft in his titles. Artists who work in clay don’t always connect with craft, so I was surprised to see that. He explained that it was a way to soften his work and make it more accessible or welcoming. I can accept that.
TJN-> Cool.
HP-> There’s been a climate recently where a lot of people are running away from the term “craft” and that has caused a lot of other artists to embrace it. Since I chose to embrace it, I love to see others who do as well.
TJN-> I think this is a perfect intersection, really. It’s goopy and clean at the same time, hand-hewn and antiseptic white at its core. I also appreciate that he calls his work “old fashioned”.
HP-> That’s a great observation - it’s true. It has that craft-influenced chunkiness. I love his thick glazes.
HP-> Shall we move over to Elizabeth Leach and Claire Cowie?
TJN-> I was going to suggest the PDX show, but I’m excited to talk about CC too. Well, “Ladies’ Choice”….
HP-> Well, I know that the PDX show wasn’t as exciting as we’d hoped.
HP-> The Claire Cowie work was disgusting. And I mean that in the best possible sense of the word. Gentleman’s Choice on what you choose to respond to, TJ
TJN-> I’ve seen three shows of Yamamoto Masao’s work, and this was probably the least impactful. But he is trying some new techniques to get away from the pocket-sized simplicity and elegance, though its all still there.
HP-> I remember one image of a woman with a single hair crossing her face - we both responded to that. I really loved the piece in the very center of the room - it was most exciting to me.
TJN-> That one is quite striking, and pale, and absolutely lightens that part of the gallery. Very impressive for something smaller than 5″x7″ and unframed. It is very similar to the one on view in PAM’s photo collection.
HP-> Yes, it’s true - there are probably near 100 small wall-mounted, unframed photos in that show and we both picked the same one. Great minds….
TJN-> It’s kind of iconic. Even though it looks like an golden oldy photo from the bottom of a box in your attic, all antique like. But it’s of an edition of 40. What did you think of that?
HP-> Seems like a huge edition! I think that’s why I loved the piece in the center so much - it’s a lacquer box with a bunch of photos inside. I love the way that particular work invites interaction. (If you owned it, that is. Touching in the gallery is a no-no!)
TJN-> Oh, the ‘Box of Ku’ I think you are mentioning…It’s like a box of secrets. It’s something in the quietude of the images too. Aren’t all boxes like that though?
HP-> Yes.
TJN-> Most of the works in the show, if not all, are untitled. This image, simply numbered ‘1504′ was quite austere. This was your first time seeing his work, right? What did you think of the installation of small images floor to ceiling?
HP-> The Box of Ku (man, I almost typed Cox of Boo - gives it a different meaning! Ha!) anyhow - I thought it was successful because there was an intimacy to the photos on the wall (because of their size and subject matter) My reaction to the installation of them felt like that privacy was being exposed. The box seemed more appropriate and the suggested activity of the owner being able to look through them in a quiet way was nice.
TJN-> Quiet, like other shows at PDX.
HP-> Yes. Okay…what about that disgusting work around the corner?
TJN-> Did you see what was in the window this month?
HP-> I actually was referring to my earlier comment about Claire Cowie. I remember you liked the window project - I mostly liked the title - about Sarah Vaughan, right?
TJN-> Yes.
HP-> I like the window installations better when it’s a real installation, rather than pieces that could be on any gallery wall.
TJN-> It’s a new piece by Richard Wilson. Seemed perfectly kin with jazz, in a deconstructed Mondrian meets Ellsworth Kelly way.
TJN-> I agree with you about install vs. hanging work in a window.
HP-> Sure. Sorry. I am stubborn about what I think the purpose of that window should be. I did appreciate those pieces too. They didn’t excite me as much as other things I saw that day though. It’s also a little disappointing to see wall work in that window space because it removes you from the work so much. Glass in a frame is one thing, but to be forced to look upwards at something in a glass case that could be installed in so many other places is…..missing the point of that space. There are so many installation artists in town, and I thought Jane Beebe intended the window project to be a place to showcase artists whose work she likes but doesn’t want to represent.
TJN-> Fair enough. Since you mentioned it, perhaps we should now journey over to 417 NW 9th?
HP-> I’m so there!
TJN-> OK. What was your first reaction upon walking into Leach this month?
HP-> Well…..it was nice to see Jeanine Jablonski greeting us! That’s usually my first reaction.
TJN-> Aha.
HP-> Okay…..well…..I loved the goopiness. That was my first reaction. I love looking at sculpture that I can’t figure out what the materials are.
TJN-> I thought, “explosion of marshmallow fluff”. Icky, sticky, bo-bicky, bananafana fo ficky….
HP-> Are you trying to out-silly me? The “Homunculous” piece of the Coyote kept making me think of that famous Romulus + Remus bronze.
TJN-> Scary creatures. All decapitated, amputated (funny references back to some elements in Jeffry Mitchell’s work this month). Hmmmm.
HP-> I really loved the humor in these - that was my second layer of appreciation. The layers of animal heads cracked me up - monkey heads on bird heads.
TJN-> I liked the drawings more than the sculptures, but really appreciate the raw quality throughout. I know you said you would like to potentially have one of these for your home, but, man, I couldn’t even imagine having these things staring at me. There’s something about the innards of horror. Plenty of gutsy puns. Plus all those small figurines.
HP-> Yes - I can see the similarity to Jeffry Mitchell - that animal layering reminds me of ceramic figurines - either Chinese or those figurative Lenox ones my grandmother used to have.
HP-> I didn’t say I wanted one for my home!!! I was trying to play a game I like - if you could or had to have one of these, which would it be?
TJN-> I see…so?
HP-> So…..I wanted to see which one was your favorite.
TJN-> All those eyes staring at me. Creeps me out. I liked the one that had the crappy brown in it, sorta toward the back, don’t remember the title.
HP-> I wasn’t a big fan of the drips.
TJN-> I’m dripping many pieces these days, so I get the vibe….
HP-> Appropriate dripping doesn’t bother me. Minimalist/controlled dripping especially, like Sam Francis. But this dripping pushed these pieces to a creepy, ugly place for me. I guess it created some tension between the cutesy-ness, but it also pushed it into a place of “I could never live with that”
TJN-> What did you think of Dianne Kornberg’s work. I thought some images, especially the huge bone image to be so beautiful and filled with depth. It’s called “Out-Of-Print”. Silver gelatin prints (like the ones at PDX). Speaking of “old fashioned”. It brings me back.
HP-> Well, it had to draw me in - my first reaction, you might remember, was that I wasn’t sure I wanted to go back in there. But then I followed you and it caused me to slow down and then I appreciated how lovely these pieces really are.
HP-> I also loved the story about how they were forgotten and jumbled artifacts from Reed College’s science dept. that someone found in a basement and gave her.
TJN-> Were there any images that stood out to you? You pointed out an animal fetus. By the way, she’s a professor at PNCA.
HP-> Made for a nice local connection, the Reed Story. Oh yeah - that animal fetus was great. I love stuff like that. I just saw (on dvd) “The Tin Drum” and there’s a great scene where the boy Oskar screams in the doctor’s office and all the jars of medical curiousities burst. Have you seen that movie lately? It is incredible.
TJN-> This piece talks about her love of science
HP-> I also remember loving the boxes of mixed bones. That image led me to inquire at the front desk about the provenance of the show - it seemed funny that any institution would allow her to mix the bones like that. Made much more sense that they were abandoned.
TJN-> Did you find out about that? The work, it reminded me of some images I have seen by Tamara Lischka, which were around the city a few years ago, but I think Kornberg’s work is potentially a few decades old.
HP-> I didn’t look at the dates when we were there - didn’t realize it wasn’t new work. I don’t know Lischka’s work. Let’s jump over to Corberry Press - I know we saw these shows separately, but let’s say something brief before wrapping this conversation up!
TJN-> OK, there’s just too many things going on this month, of course with Abi Spring at Chambers, the re-opening of Woolley, Tim Dalbow at NAAU. But yes, let’s talk about Larry Bamburg. What’s it called?
HP-> It doesn’t have a title, according to the TBA guide.
TJN-> Yes. http://pica.org/tba/tba07/detail.aspx?eventid=237
HP-> Well, I really liked that piece. I love the ephemera floating around, his use of discarded materials. Even the big propellor was made of scrap. I was also interested in his use of the room and being site-specific. Peter Kreider told me that cavity was there in the room already and he just filled it with the linoleum. It reminded me of the Grand Canyon.
TJN-> Yeah, I guess they usually cover up that big hole when they use the space. Did you know it was where the ink was stored at the press way back?
HP-> Interesting. I also loved the way he cut into the linoleum to put his cords underneath.
TJN-> I LOVED the way cords became like a mountain range under the linoleum. Absolutely stunning use of simple, everyday materials.
TJN-> What did you think it was? A whirling dervish, a sandstorm? Bees gone wild?
HP-> It made me think of being in a city where there’s a lot of trash on the sidewalk and the wind comes up.
HP-> I wasn’t crazy at all about the other artwork in that part of the building. The Hap Tivey piece that Leach is sponsoring on the backside of Corberry Press was breathtaking.
TJN-> Tivey’s work is a big deep breath, and by far the best thing in town this month. Stunning, takes over the body, space and light.
HP-> I thought it was a completely appropriate use of a smoke machine as well.
TJN-> Like channeling galaxies from a very noir perspective. It was like being given permission to investigate an eclipse more closely.
HP-> Yes…..I know it’s an easy reference for one to say it reminded them of James Turrell, but I’m gonna go there anyway. Like Turrell, I did feel that it altered the space in a surprising way. The piece in the back room made me feel like I was going to tip over!
TJN-> It was probably the best “unofficial” TBA event this year.
HP-> I haven’t seen all of the art offerings yet, but I already feel certain that I would agree with you.
TJN-> It was quite dark, and asked the viewer to navigate some, to adjust to a new terrain.
HP-> I really like to see galleries getting involved in that way as well. Brava Liz!
HP-> Seeing that installation actually inspired me and Christian about how to light our new collaboration - the one in Virginia.
TJN-> That’s always a very cool connection between artists. I know we are truncating the wares and offerings this month, but we’ve explored some depths here, and probably need to carry on….
HP-> Yeah, we actually were more motivated to go see those two TBA venues because of another project Christian has going but it led to other things. That installation really made me think about light in a new way. Okay…let’s go. We’ve been sitting here for 2 hours!!!! It’s
been fun, TJ. We’ll have to do it again!
TJN-> Next month perhaps?
HP-> I was thinking we should get all gussied up and blog while drinking martinis next time! After two hours, our readers can see our conversation degenerate into slush.
TJN-> Either that or we should get voice-controlled blog freeware to save our fingertips.
Have an awesome day out there in the create-o-sphere….
HP-> You too! Catch you tonight at tEEth!
TJN-> Let’s meet up there and sit together.
TJN-> I’ll be wearing my lucky hat.
HP-> Okay! I’ll be carrying an industrial sized bottle of mouthwash!
TJN-> Right on……..